Microsoft’s Copilot+ PC hype needs to end, analysts say

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Some might even go so far as to say that it never should have started

That has become less of an issue now because of a recently announced feature called Windows ML 2.0, which does not distinguish between different NPUs, CPUs, GPUs, and AI chips, O’Donnell said. Microsoft earlier this year also added the Phi and Mu small language models (SLMs) for AI applications to run directly on PCs.

While the new AI features announced at Ignite also take advantage of the NPUs, Microsoft’s hard requirement for a performant NPU has been dwindling, analysts said. There are signs Intel may be deprioritizing NPUs and switching back to GPUs as a minimum compute standard for AI PCs.

While my DIY use cases (i.e. not using cloud services) in ML are somewhat limited in their scope (mostly video upscaling, I honestly gave up on local LLMs and local imagine generation), the NPU concept seems like a bad fit for a market that’s still in its early stages (and likely needs a massive corrective decline for us to understand truly valuable use cases).

Why’d you give up on local image generation? With FLUX-based models and tools like ComfyUI, it’s actually better than what you get with cloud-based services. You have a lot more control, and the wide availability of LoRAs makes it much more fun/useful, IMHO.

Having said that, if you don’t have a modem GPU with at least 8GB of VRAM, it’s not going to be a great experience. 16GB is preferable.

My great wish is for there to be affordable, fast GPUs with at least 32GB of VRAM. That would be enough to play a modern AAA game while also running other AI workloads at the same time (e.g. as a secondary aspect of the game).

I have two really fantastic game ideas that can’t really exist without the average gamer having access to that level of hardware. Not for fancy graphics; for the AI possibilities 😁

I have a 3080 with 10 GB VRAM.

I wasn’t getting very good results with Automatic1111, it felt like I was spending more time fiddling with config than getting the images I was looking for (nothing special mostly generic home hardware type objects, but done in a specific and consistent style and view).

32 GB VRAM won’t be common for at least another 5-7 years IMO, perhaps more.

What model? I highly recommend trying AnimePro Flux in ComfyUI. It generates really great images in just six steps which is like 8 seconds for a 768x768 image on my 4060 TI 16GB. It’d be even faster on your 3080.

Don’t really remember which Stable Diffusion model was used. I followed a guide.

I am just looking for generation of simple two tone flat icons and very basic 3D photo images for products. It to save time making presentations. I would usually just cook something up based on free iconsets or Google images. It actually doesn’t take long.

Gemini works pretty well for this (and support multi -model prompts), but I would prefer to use local models.

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In 10 years these copilot buttons on keyboards are going to look like Blockbuster buttons on older Roku remotes

Looking forward to the “co-pilot remapper” companion app that allows me to launch and hide whatever app I want with that button.

Looking at you Terminal!

I am like 97% sure it’s already just a macro key that simulates a press of win+ctrl+c or something like that that can be changed in the registry. They added a bunch of combos that open office apps and shit a while back.

But you can also just pin Terminal or any other app to your taskbar and then press win+[number desired pinned app is away from start button/search/task/whatever].

I’ll be damned. How long has that been a thing?!?

For sure it’s been an option since 7, but I feel like I remember there being a way to do something similar in XP.

The first thing I did after wiping windows and installing Arch on my new Thinkpad. It’s now my Ollama button for whatever model I feel like running locally.

Microsoft itself, in fact, declared that all PCs will be AI PCs

It’s funny that Microsoft intended for this to be a marketing boon, but many users read it as a threat.

Its not hype its marketing. There is not a single soul on this earth genuinely hyped about co pilot.

Sure there is. Remember that guy that presented it for Microsoft and he didn’t understand why nobody else was hyped?

There’s that guy.

If that guy wasnt being paid his salary to do whatever the fuck he does I’d bet my left nut he wouldnt give a single fuck about co pilot and would probably be driving a macbook

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In reality, the most common answers are “No shit, Sherlock!” and “What’s Copilot?”

The “Shut up!” only comes after you point out that Linux doesn’t have forced AI bullshit.

(They hated Jesus because he told them he uses Arch, btw.)

giving AI the power to do things on your PC will lead to cases like:

Google’s Agentic AI wipes user’s entire HDD without permission in catastrophic failure

I feel sincerely sorry for the millions of IT Help Desk workers who will see an influx of people coming to them saying “I asked Copilot to free space on my computer and all my files are gone!!! Fix it!!!!”

Easy solution, replace the help desk with LLMs too and make it impossible to reach a human.

FAFO. If you don’t want to control your computer then you wont have control over your computer.

More AI bubble bullshit.

Shockingly if you create a product no one wanted or needed it sells badly.

The key is then to forcibly bundle it in with something people do want or need, thereby ruining both things.

ARM processors good

AI bad

That simple

no. no. no. you don’t understand. Its a bigger and better brother.

Zune, Metro, Copilot+

If you know, you know.

The Zune was amazing. Blew my iPod classic out of the water. I’m still mad it got stolen.

Microsoft just fucked up marketing it.

MS doesnt do “cool”. They have been desperate for years to try to capture it and they never have any idea what cool looks and feels like so their adverts for their shit is always so dorky and uncool.

Also they never support anything long after it comes out because the only vision they have is winning sales

They also like to try to shoehorn themselves into an already captured market quite often, but they don’t get sales and drop it like you said.

I’m confused, the Zune and Metro (pre Windows 8, Metro was introduced with the Zune HD and used in Windows Phone) are some of the better things Microsoft has ever produced.

If you said UMPCs, Cortana, Copilot+ I would understand.

I really liked the Zune AND the Nokia Lumia with Windows. honestly the Lumia was the best phone I ever had.

At one point, Microsoft did make good products. The only good thing they have now is the Windows Terminal which IMHO is one of the best terminal emulators out there, honestly wish I could have it on Linux.

Did your Zune also get stolen? Pretty much everyone I’ve talked to who had one had it stolen (myself included).

hah now that you mention it, yes my Zune did get stolen.

I want it for Linux too, but I use Tabby as it is the closest thing I have found to it.

Closest thing to what? What makes the terminal so special?

No they mean the Terminal App itself. It feels great to use, I use it all the time on my work laptop when running WSL.

I don’t think I have ever used that app. Just cmd and powershell alone, or putty. I have been avoiding windows ssh since they log server and user name that accesses an ssh connection and sends it to microsoft during the connection attempt.

What makes it so special?

Métro, boulot, dodot?

The zune was truly awesome! Its only weakness was that Microsoft actually didn’t really believe on it (same with the Kin)

People give Balmer a ton of shit but most of MS’s cool stuff came out during his time.

“[Enter any AI LLM service or solution here] failed to deliver on over-hyped promises”