The correlation of combatant suicide is commonplace, but increased severely in periods of fascism and genocide. Most people arenāt sociopaths but can still be persuaded, pressured, and/or conditioned to do terrible things. Iām surprised itās not higher.
And those committing suicide are those who see their / their sides wrongdoings and canāt live with them. This is not something to celebrate, these people are victims just as the people in the Gaza Strip.
There will be a non-zero amount of soldiers who didnāt choose this - Israel has a mandatory military draft of 2 years for men and women, with some roles having to serve additional time. Once you are drafted, you will be pressured into things, and with āShooting and Cryingā youāve shown a propaganda tool used to prime the civilian population for exactly this - following orders even when your conscience says itās wrong to do so.
So yeah, i stand by my statement that IDF Soldiers who kill themselves because they canāt live with what theyāve witnessed are victims of the same machinery that kills children in the strip.
They can try to refuse; Wikipedia says that 9,5% of the people who refuse on conscientious grounds are allowed to. Not serving will also wreck your chance to a normal life; Most jobs want only people who have served and completed their compulsory military service, and you are branded as a ārefusenikā. Dodging the draft will get you a travel ban; you canāt even leave the country. So if your parents donāt do the smart thing and send you off before the draft, you are fucked; and if you leave, you canāt come back if you dont want to serve. Those are pretty shitty options if you just want to live your life in peace. Itās not NK, but itās not comparable to any military in the west.
People who get non-combat jobs are unlikely to kill themselves over their service.
following orders even when your conscience says itās wrong to do so.
Not an excuse.
So yeah, i stand by my statement that IDF Soldiers who kill themselves because they canāt live with what theyāve witnessed are victims of the same machinery that kills children in the strip.
Oh my God no, choosing to take your own life out of guilt from the actions of the army you served in is not morally equivalent to a child being obliterated by said army. Please Iām trying to be patient here
Itās not an excuse, itās what is expected of them, and what is drilled into their brains through multiple channels while growing up, cranked up to 11 the moment the military gets their hands on them - and they get the majority of the population in their hands. Refusing to serve on conscientious grounds has only a 10% chance of being exempted. So yeah, the chance that those who kill themselves didnāt want to serve is pretty high.
Even those who refuse and are lucky to get an exemption pay a heavy price, with their job prospects shot to hell and their standing in society reduced to traitor. Not even the left wing in Israel supports them.
Israelās military, state and how they are interwoven is not comparable to anything else i have ever heard of in my life. In most of the world you can either not enlist or it has no real repercussions on your civilian life if you refuse to serve (in my country you are not allowed to get a gun license for - i think itās 25 years? - if you refuse to serve and have to do a 3 months longer civil service instead)
Even those who refuse and are lucky to get an exemption pay a heavy price, with their job prospects shot to hell and their standing in society reduced to traitor. Not even the left wing in Israel supports them.
Unironically yes, taking the L and tanking the consequences is the only moral thing to do in that situation holy shit. If itās serve in the IDF or {insert consequence here}, you take {insert consequence here}. Itās literally that simple š¤¦š¤¦š¤¦š¤¦š¤¦š¤¦š¤¦
Imagine being an 18yo who sees the genocide, understands the that Israel is in the wrong, and is now forced to join the army that is in the process of a genocide, and immediately receiving a gun. Fucked up situation that might even lead someone to suicide, especially if maybe you are already in a dark place.
My point is that there are IDF soldiers that are absolutely genocidal, the IDF as an army is horrific, but because of mandatory conscription you canāt treat it the same as a voluntary army where people choose to be there (kinda, poverty and propaganda can often make it more complex)
Just as I wouldnāt celebrate the suicide of a Russian just because of what Russia is doing, I wouldnāt celebrate the suicide of an Israeli just because they were forced to join the IDF.
I think that these mindless celebrations of death jist fuel the cycle of hatred. If you support a genocide I have no compassion for you, but a forced conscription is not a choice.
Exactly. The people that are killing themselves are likely the people that had the most capacity for good in they entire establishment. Itās such a sad state of affairs.
Sure, a few months in jail seems like an option, But there are 2 important factors here:
Wether they are going to be combatants or not
The fact that these are young adults / teens in a very normalized situation.
If you are 18yo and fresh out of school, understand that the IDF is in the wrong and condemn it but are now facing the choice between doing what society expects of you and going for 2-3 years of office work at the IDF or go against the law, go to jail for an unknown amount of months and possibly face social consequences, you might choose the office work. It does not obsolve you from all faults, but it does not make you genocidal or a rapist.
This approach of grouping everyone together is just adding more fuel to the fire. Everyone sticks their head in the sand and says āThis is the problem, there is no nuance!ā And guess what? Sometimes you will be more right and sometimes you will be more wrong, but you will very very rarely be correct.
There is no innocent IDF member, even if they were brainwashed into serving. Just following orders isnāt an excuse, we learned that via the Nuremberg trials.
I feel no sympathy for an IDF member, as I do for the American soldiers in Vietnam. Drafting doesnāt absolve you of war crimes, even if you feel guilty of it. People died, and itās their fault.
Thats not a good example because in Nuremberg trials they specifically trialed generals and political leaders, which held positions that were directly related to the crimes, I donāt think generals in the IDF are remotely close to innocent.
But by putting a general who planned and executed war crimes and an office worker that maybe was responsible for office supplies in the same category, you are ignoring the reality of the situation and you are harming the severe and important definition of war crimes.
Your blind categorisation is harming your cause, which I assume is justice and protection of human rights and life.
Itās not just jail though. Like any society, their are expectations that come with being a participant in it. Shame, family and pressure make that solution not an easy choice. I get what you are saying, and itās easy to say that from the outside. History tells us that much baggage comes with going against the norm. Power to you,just realize it has impacts beyond just āyourā life. Not saying that is a good thing, just that it is a thing.
Firstly I couldnāt find anything about āgaolā so I donāt know what you meanā¦
Secondly, armies are mostly non-combatant soldiers, which can range from working on weapons to office workers. As fucked up as the IDF is, if you are forced to join it and become an office worker, you might not be free of fault, but you are far from committing a genocide or murdering babies.
To be clear, if you personally commit a hate crime murder or rape:
Donāt kill yourself. Youāre still human. Fix your shit, find out what made you suck, and do everything you can to compensate for how much you fucked up the world.
If you join the industrial hate crime rape extermination factory on purpose, when you could have run or spent a month in prison instead: You cannot be redeemed, you cannot be of value to humanity, and you can never be human again, if you ever were. The only thing left to you is to killeveryone who made you what you are, and then yourself. Please hurry; every moment you continue to exist defiles the world.
Okay, but letās at least try to remember that there is mandatory conscription and service in Israel and that there is probably a significant proportion of people who have no other choice but to serve in the IDF. I am in no way attempting to excuse genocidal and homicidal actions that anyone has taken, but letās at least attempt to understand the complexity of the issue instead of trying to reduce things to an unnaturally binary state.
Life is infinitely complex. Letās use the wonderful tools of understanding that complex evolutionary pathways have afforded us to try to scratch the surface of that infinity. Empathy is strength; donāt let right-wing propaganda teach you that it is a weakness.
Exactly the excuse āoh I had to make that choice or else I would have sufferedā is so lacking in solidarity that itās infuriating.
This is how hierarchy maintains its power, by saying āhurt them or we will hurt you; do what we say or elseā; making people believe it is acceptable to sacrifice the lives of others to remain safe under the current system. Their power is entirely predicated on people having that fear keeping them in line and obeying their orders.
Weāve seen now what happens in Israeli gaols - I can only imagine that theyād treat perceived ātraitorsā the same as Palestinians; perhaps worse.
They donāt deserve our sympathy, but they definitely deserve empathy. Choosing to turn off your empathy for groups of people is sociopathy and thatās a road Iām unwilling to go down.
There was germans who faced execusion for not following orders and protecting jews. Yet we didnāt give any excuses for people forced into the germany Nazi army
And perhaps more nuance should have been taken in those situations. Self-preservation is a basic human instinct and I would wager that many good people, when faced with the choice between kill someone else or be killed, would at the very least be extremely conflicted about that choice.
Just because we did something 70 years ago doesnāt mean we should be doing it now. Tradition is often a smokescreen for oppression. Letās try and do better than our forebears and attempt to understand those who oppose us.
Iām not trying to justify anything - nowhere have I stated that any action that IDF soldiers or Hamas fighters have taken are justifiable. Itās an extremely messy, complex and convoluted set of circumstances and it does no one any service to attempt to simplify and boil down what has happened and what is happening to simple, binary soundbites.
Iām just trying to inject some empathy into this discussion. I understand that not everyone has a great capacity for empathy - particularly towards those who appear to have no empathy themselves - but to allow those who we oppose to turn us into death-hungry monsters is allowing them to harm us. I wonāt allow the atrocities and war crimes to turn me into someone who cheers for death.
I donāt disagree with you, but letās try to at least understand the complexity of those decisions instead of viewing the world in black/white. That sort of thinking breeds fascism and authoritarianism.
I am not engaging in genocidal apologia. Just because someone isnāt as hard-line as you are doesnāt mean that theyāre opposed to you. Viewpoints are held on spectra because life doesnāt exist in binary states; it exists on spectra.
I hate the Israeli regime. I hate Zionism. I donāt believe that the state of Israel should exist. I think Benjamin Netanyahu and his ilk should be gaoled for the rest of their lives. I sympathise and empathise with the innocent people of Palestine and would love to see their sovereignty established and upheld by the international community.
I also believe that celebrating the suicide of IDF members is a fraught and dangerous precedent.
One can understand the complexity of a circumstance without āpicking a sideā. One can understand that humanity is complex, nuanced and difficult to understand. One can abhor the actions of a person while trying to better understand the motivations for that action. One can walk and chew gum.
Sorry, no. Thereās only one valid time zone. Thats how this works and everyone else is wrong/lying. I donāt know how youāre all so committed to this.
Yeah, death to all the 18 year old conscripts who are literally forced to join the IDF to commit atrocities (forced conscription), while also being blasted pro-war propaganda by their national bourgeois.
Kill kill kill I love murder I love suicides I love dehumanizing I love proletariat blood flowing if they happen to be on the bad side.
Oh well, maybe if they refused and got jailed instead weād wish the ZioNazis better. The IDF is nothing but a colonialist mass raping genocide machine.
I have met people who left rather than join. I have seen posts from people saying āI was in prison because i refused toā. Those are people. Those people deserve out compassion, and support if they need it despite where they were born.
These mother fuckers? No. Sorry. You join, I will never be sad about you dying. I may find it funny.
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Lol these are fucking colonizers
kill kill kill I love murder I love suicides
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proletariat
Again, are you fuvking high? Do you know what that fucking word means? Colonizers do not create. They exploit.
the bad side
Hey, so, what makes them the bad side, do you think? Is it the genocide, the passion for rape, the laboratory of oppression, or the fact many of them practice circumcision and Iām just a combination antisemite foreskin enjoyer?
have you seen what they do to kids in elementary schools there? they literally brainwash them into being genocidalā¦.
then if they refuse military service they go to prison.
suicide means theyāve been emotionally destroyed by what theyāve had to doā¦ it makes sense, by the time it really sinks in theyāve already killed innocent people.
theyāre all people.
itās better than them killing more innocent people, but itās nothing to revel in.
some of the soldiers are genocidal maniacs, but i donāt think theyāre the ones offing themselves
Sure, watching them get mowed down is more satisfying, but I will take every IDF, Nazi, and fascist death literally no matter what the circumstance is, except deaths that involve actual decent people going down with them. With the exception to the exception of good people sacrificing themselves specifically in order to take out the maximum number they can with them.
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But all you IDF morons should feel bad, and you should definitely teamkill as many as possible before killing yourselves. Bonus points off you get good footage. Extra bonus for backflip.
Some day the best outcome is 0% of evil remaining, but I prefer 100% evil mortality rate. Donāt leave room to presume rehabilitation is possible. That effort isnāt worth it.
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The correlation of combatant suicide is commonplace, but increased severely in periods of fascism and genocide. Most people arenāt sociopaths but can still be persuaded, pressured, and/or conditioned to do terrible things. Iām surprised itās not higher.
And those committing suicide are those who see their / their sides wrongdoings and canāt live with them. This is not something to celebrate, these people are victims just as the people in the Gaza Strip.
Not necessarily.
Aw hell the fuck no! IDF soldiers are not fucking victims of their own actions. For fuckās sake please tell me I misread that š¤®
There will be a non-zero amount of soldiers who didnāt choose this - Israel has a mandatory military draft of 2 years for men and women, with some roles having to serve additional time. Once you are drafted, you will be pressured into things, and with āShooting and Cryingā youāve shown a propaganda tool used to prime the civilian population for exactly this - following orders even when your conscience says itās wrong to do so.
So yeah, i stand by my statement that IDF Soldiers who kill themselves because they canāt live with what theyāve witnessed are victims of the same machinery that kills children in the strip.
This is not NK, those IDF soldiers can refuse.
Apparently spending some time in gaol is less preferable to committing genocide to them.
They can try to refuse; Wikipedia says that 9,5% of the people who refuse on conscientious grounds are allowed to. Not serving will also wreck your chance to a normal life; Most jobs want only people who have served and completed their compulsory military service, and you are branded as a ārefusenikā. Dodging the draft will get you a travel ban; you canāt even leave the country. So if your parents donāt do the smart thing and send you off before the draft, you are fucked; and if you leave, you canāt come back if you dont want to serve. Those are pretty shitty options if you just want to live your life in peace. Itās not NK, but itās not comparable to any military in the west.
Oh no not missed job opportunities, those poor victims.
Israel is the real victim of the genocide of the Palestinian people!
People who get non-combat jobs are unlikely to kill themselves over their service.
Not an excuse.
Oh my God no, choosing to take your own life out of guilt from the actions of the army you served in is not morally equivalent to a child being obliterated by said army. Please Iām trying to be patient here
Itās not an excuse, itās what is expected of them, and what is drilled into their brains through multiple channels while growing up, cranked up to 11 the moment the military gets their hands on them - and they get the majority of the population in their hands. Refusing to serve on conscientious grounds has only a 10% chance of being exempted. So yeah, the chance that those who kill themselves didnāt want to serve is pretty high.
Even those who refuse and are lucky to get an exemption pay a heavy price, with their job prospects shot to hell and their standing in society reduced to traitor. Not even the left wing in Israel supports them.
Israelās military, state and how they are interwoven is not comparable to anything else i have ever heard of in my life. In most of the world you can either not enlist or it has no real repercussions on your civilian life if you refuse to serve (in my country you are not allowed to get a gun license for - i think itās 25 years? - if you refuse to serve and have to do a 3 months longer civil service instead)
Unironically yes, taking the L and tanking the consequences is the only moral thing to do in that situation holy shit. If itās serve in the IDF or {insert consequence here}, you take {insert consequence here}. Itās literally that simple š¤¦š¤¦š¤¦š¤¦š¤¦š¤¦š¤¦
Itās actually quite easy when the conditioning starts at birthā¦ the way it does in Israel.
Gonna get downvoted but fuck this.
The IDF is terrible, the Israeli government is terrible, it is genocidal and there is no excuse for that.
Yet, the IDF is mandatory for all 18yo in Israel, meaning that you could be completely against the IDF and the government, and still be in the IDF.
Imagine being an 18yo who sees the genocide, understands the that Israel is in the wrong, and is now forced to join the army that is in the process of a genocide, and immediately receiving a gun. Fucked up situation that might even lead someone to suicide, especially if maybe you are already in a dark place.
My point is that there are IDF soldiers that are absolutely genocidal, the IDF as an army is horrific, but because of mandatory conscription you canāt treat it the same as a voluntary army where people choose to be there (kinda, poverty and propaganda can often make it more complex)
Just as I wouldnāt celebrate the suicide of a Russian just because of what Russia is doing, I wouldnāt celebrate the suicide of an Israeli just because they were forced to join the IDF.
I think that these mindless celebrations of death jist fuel the cycle of hatred. If you support a genocide I have no compassion for you, but a forced conscription is not a choice.
Exactly. The people that are killing themselves are likely the people that had the most capacity for good in they entire establishment. Itās such a sad state of affairs.
Or instead of joining the IDF, you get the jail time of a few months.
But I guess theyāre just following orders, so theyāre actually absolved of the rape and genocide.
Sure, a few months in jail seems like an option, But there are 2 important factors here:
If you are 18yo and fresh out of school, understand that the IDF is in the wrong and condemn it but are now facing the choice between doing what society expects of you and going for 2-3 years of office work at the IDF or go against the law, go to jail for an unknown amount of months and possibly face social consequences, you might choose the office work. It does not obsolve you from all faults, but it does not make you genocidal or a rapist.
This approach of grouping everyone together is just adding more fuel to the fire. Everyone sticks their head in the sand and says āThis is the problem, there is no nuance!ā And guess what? Sometimes you will be more right and sometimes you will be more wrong, but you will very very rarely be correct.
There is no innocent IDF member, even if they were brainwashed into serving. Just following orders isnāt an excuse, we learned that via the Nuremberg trials.
I feel no sympathy for an IDF member, as I do for the American soldiers in Vietnam. Drafting doesnāt absolve you of war crimes, even if you feel guilty of it. People died, and itās their fault.
Thats not a good example because in Nuremberg trials they specifically trialed generals and political leaders, which held positions that were directly related to the crimes, I donāt think generals in the IDF are remotely close to innocent.
But by putting a general who planned and executed war crimes and an office worker that maybe was responsible for office supplies in the same category, you are ignoring the reality of the situation and you are harming the severe and important definition of war crimes.
Your blind categorisation is harming your cause, which I assume is justice and protection of human rights and life.
Oh my bad, Iāll make sure that the people who moved papers covering up war crimes just didnāt follow orders before they go to trial.
Itās not just jail though. Like any society, their are expectations that come with being a participant in it. Shame, family and pressure make that solution not an easy choice. I get what you are saying, and itās easy to say that from the outside. History tells us that much baggage comes with going against the norm. Power to you,just realize it has impacts beyond just āyourā life. Not saying that is a good thing, just that it is a thing.
Your point misses that it is not mandatory and they could instead go to gaol for short period of time rather than commit genocide and murder babies.
Your point is bad and your should feel bad for running defense and trying to paint them as innocent and/or victims.
Firstly I couldnāt find anything about āgaolā so I donāt know what you meanā¦
Secondly, armies are mostly non-combatant soldiers, which can range from working on weapons to office workers. As fucked up as the IDF is, if you are forced to join it and become an office worker, you might not be free of fault, but you are far from committing a genocide or murdering babies.
You saw a word you didnāt know and you didnāt try a dictionary or search engine?
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=gaol
I did search for it, I guess that I over did the search terms and should have just searched the word itself. Thanks! Word of the day I guess!
If my approach to understanding was so flawed as to fail at looking up a word I would be deeply concerned about the quality of my thinking.
Ignore all the arguments I made and just focus on a single unrelated mistake?
I disagree, they should be doing murder suicides with their commanding officers.
Wonder what would have happened if Bob Vylan had chanted
āSuicide to the IDFā at Glastonbury instead
We need it to be even higher.
To be clear, if you personally commit a hate crime murder or rape:
Donāt kill yourself. Youāre still human. Fix your shit, find out what made you suck, and do everything you can to compensate for how much you fucked up the world.
If you join the industrial hate crime rape extermination factory on purpose, when you could have run or spent a month in prison instead: You cannot be redeemed, you cannot be of value to humanity, and you can never be human again, if you ever were. The only thing left to you is to killeveryone who made you what you are, and then yourself. Please hurry; every moment you continue to exist defiles the world.
i would much prefer people who did horrible things to change their ways, and work towards healing the world rather than kill themselves
Sure, but you arenāt going to see me shedding tears over dead fascists.
But if theyāre not gonna change, this isnāt a bad alternative to your thing.
And Iād like to live in a magical floating castle. At least a dead IDF today will save a life tomorrow.
Okay, but letās at least try to remember that there is mandatory conscription and service in Israel and that there is probably a significant proportion of people who have no other choice but to serve in the IDF. I am in no way attempting to excuse genocidal and homicidal actions that anyone has taken, but letās at least attempt to understand the complexity of the issue instead of trying to reduce things to an unnaturally binary state.
Life is infinitely complex. Letās use the wonderful tools of understanding that complex evolutionary pathways have afforded us to try to scratch the surface of that infinity. Empathy is strength; donāt let right-wing propaganda teach you that it is a weakness.
They literally have other choices than joining the IDF. That choice is gaol, instead they choose to commit genocide.
Fuck them all, zero sympathy for Nazis.
Exactly the excuse āoh I had to make that choice or else I would have sufferedā is so lacking in solidarity that itās infuriating.
This is how hierarchy maintains its power, by saying āhurt them or we will hurt you; do what we say or elseā; making people believe it is acceptable to sacrifice the lives of others to remain safe under the current system. Their power is entirely predicated on people having that fear keeping them in line and obeying their orders.
Weāve seen now what happens in Israeli gaols - I can only imagine that theyād treat perceived ātraitorsā the same as Palestinians; perhaps worse.
They donāt deserve our sympathy, but they definitely deserve empathy. Choosing to turn off your empathy for groups of people is sociopathy and thatās a road Iām unwilling to go down.
There was germans who faced execusion for not following orders and protecting jews. Yet we didnāt give any excuses for people forced into the germany Nazi army
And perhaps more nuance should have been taken in those situations. Self-preservation is a basic human instinct and I would wager that many good people, when faced with the choice between kill someone else or be killed, would at the very least be extremely conflicted about that choice.
Just because we did something 70 years ago doesnāt mean we should be doing it now. Tradition is often a smokescreen for oppression. Letās try and do better than our forebears and attempt to understand those who oppose us.
You can justify hamas was crimes will the same bullshit.
Self preservation would have been to refuse to serve to choose jail over killing babies and risking your own life
Iām not trying to justify anything - nowhere have I stated that any action that IDF soldiers or Hamas fighters have taken are justifiable. Itās an extremely messy, complex and convoluted set of circumstances and it does no one any service to attempt to simplify and boil down what has happened and what is happening to simple, binary soundbites.
Iām just trying to inject some empathy into this discussion. I understand that not everyone has a great capacity for empathy - particularly towards those who appear to have no empathy themselves - but to allow those who we oppose to turn us into death-hungry monsters is allowing them to harm us. I wonāt allow the atrocities and war crimes to turn me into someone who cheers for death.
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I donāt disagree with you, but letās try to at least understand the complexity of those decisions instead of viewing the world in black/white. That sort of thinking breeds fascism and authoritarianism.
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I am not engaging in genocidal apologia. Just because someone isnāt as hard-line as you are doesnāt mean that theyāre opposed to you. Viewpoints are held on spectra because life doesnāt exist in binary states; it exists on spectra.
I hate the Israeli regime. I hate Zionism. I donāt believe that the state of Israel should exist. I think Benjamin Netanyahu and his ilk should be gaoled for the rest of their lives. I sympathise and empathise with the innocent people of Palestine and would love to see their sovereignty established and upheld by the international community.
I also believe that celebrating the suicide of IDF members is a fraught and dangerous precedent.
One can understand the complexity of a circumstance without āpicking a sideā. One can understand that humanity is complex, nuanced and difficult to understand. One can abhor the actions of a person while trying to better understand the motivations for that action. One can walk and chew gum.
Tomorrow when you wrote that is a Friday, and IDF are disprop{rtionately Jewish.
Literally the day of the week you are least likely to be correct.
Today is Saturday, when I wrote that it was Friday. Timezones.
Even your pedantry is wrong.
Sorry, no. Thereās only one valid time zone. Thats how this works and everyone else is wrong/lying. I donāt know how youāre all so committed to this.
IMO this is addressed to the IDF soldiers who refuse to change their ways.
Yeah, death to all the 18 year old conscripts who are literally forced to join the IDF to commit atrocities (forced conscription), while also being blasted pro-war propaganda by their national bourgeois.
Kill kill kill I love murder I love suicides I love dehumanizing I love proletariat blood flowing if they happen to be on the bad side.
You know people can refuse right? the state doesnāt torture their families or anything.
Yeah thatās why I feel just horrible whenever working class Nazis get killed because working class people can do no wrong /s
Yes, death to the IDF. Fuck every single one of them.
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Hey, Iām not the one wishing for forced conscripts to commit mass suicide
Oh well, maybe if they refused and got jailed instead weād wish the ZioNazis better. The IDF is nothing but a colonialist mass raping genocide machine.
Nobody is forced. I would take jail time over killing babies any day of the year
Fail opinion, get a better one
If they refuse to serve, do they go to gaol or get executed?
Yes, they do prison time, but IIRC itās only a few months.
I have met people who left rather than join. I have seen posts from people saying āI was in prison because i refused toā. Those are people. Those people deserve out compassion, and support if they need it despite where they were born.
These mother fuckers? No. Sorry. You join, I will never be sad about you dying. I may find it funny.
Lol these are fucking colonizers
Mods?
Again, are you fuvking high? Do you know what that fucking word means? Colonizers do not create. They exploit.
Hey, so, what makes them the bad side, do you think? Is it the genocide, the passion for rape, the laboratory of oppression, or the fact many of them practice circumcision and Iām just a combination antisemite foreskin enjoyer?
have you seen what they do to kids in elementary schools there? they literally brainwash them into being genocidalā¦.
then if they refuse military service they go to prison.
suicide means theyāve been emotionally destroyed by what theyāve had to doā¦ it makes sense, by the time it really sinks in theyāve already killed innocent people.
theyāre all people.
itās better than them killing more innocent people, but itās nothing to revel in.
some of the soldiers are genocidal maniacs, but i donāt think theyāre the ones offing themselves
One of the few reasons I encourage suicide.
Sure, watching them get mowed down is more satisfying, but I will take every IDF, Nazi, and fascist death literally no matter what the circumstance is, except deaths that involve actual decent people going down with them. With the exception to the exception of good people sacrificing themselves specifically in order to take out the maximum number they can with them.
o7
But all you IDF morons should feel bad, and you should definitely teamkill as many as possible before killing yourselves. Bonus points off you get good footage. Extra bonus for backflip.
Some day the best outcome is 0% of evil remaining, but I prefer 100% evil mortality rate. Donāt leave room to presume rehabilitation is possible. That effort isnāt worth it.
Imagine if this people have talk to each other and discover that they where not the issue but they officer was
Do you consider yourself a hateful person?
I hate genociders, yes.
The disturbing part is that you apparently donāt.
Do you think more IDF soldiers putting guns in their mouths is going to make life better for the Palestinians?
Do you not?!?
100% yes. Every dead IDF around is one less to commit genocide.
Why do you support Nazis wellbeing?
Never said I support Nazis wellbeing.
You donāt seem worth talking to
Oh sorry, the words are so interchangeable.
Why do you support Zionists wellbeing?
One soldier less, 10 palestinians saved. You should think about the palestinians who saw their family members brutally murdered by those soldiers